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MHHAuto Thread: SD Connect C4 — avoiding garbage
I’m in the market for an SD connect C4 mercedes benz Star Diagnostic
Tool and have been trying to spend my time doing some homework to avoid
getting a garbage unit. I certainly can understand what a lot of people
have been saying about the widely varying quality that’s out there. I am
a EE and PCB designer, so I’m trying to make use of that knowledge to
select the best unit that I can.
To that end, I’m going to share what info I’ve collected so far, and
when I finally end up buying whatever unit I do, I’m going to do a full
teardown on it and post the results here.
As another matter, I’ll openly post details on who I buy the unit from and impressions after receiving it.
Near as I can tell right now, there appear to be about 4 “factories” that make different units.
One thing I’ve been asking all of the sellers for (and I would
encourage others to do the same) is photos of the actual MB Star C4 SD
Connect unit (including PCBs) with a unique identifier in the photo to
prove that the unit they say they are going to send me is the actual one
they send me. Of course, some sellers immediately bail at this, but
then you know who to avoid ahead of time.
In general, a lot of the components used in a Star diagnostic tool SD
C4 Multiplexer are getting quite long in the tooth. Many of the parts
are approaching 20 years of age. Thus, you stand a fair risk of getting
pulls (used parts) and/or remarked parts on these.
In following posts, I’ll provide photos of what I can discern as
differences between the MB Star Diagnostic SD Connect C4 units along
with some commentary about whatever info I can provide at this point.
to, I’ve outlined some things I feel are important to note. They have
a set of 4 analog switches on the PCB. In this photo, they are ADG426
from Analog Devices. I’ve seen some clones that use DG526CY from
Harris/Intersil. The DG526CY, besides being completely obsolete, has an
typical RDSON of 270 ohms vs 80 for the Analog Devices part. It also has
a -55dB isolation vs -75dB for the AD part. In short, the AD part is
just a much better mux. So with that said, I would insist on any unit
I’m interested in using those.
A second thing you’ll notice is the use of can crystals where 4 pin
variants were intended. This is just sloppy and cheap. There may also be
issue with loading (and ultimately clock stability) depending on
whether they matched the loading caps to the substituted crystal or not.
I haven’t had a set of photos high res enough to look at the rest of
the actives in detail yet, as most sellers don’t seem to post them.
There’s also an issue pointed out on the bottom of the board where
one of the (what appears to be) MOSFETs in (what appears to be a) D2 PAK
looks like it was hand soldered. Again, no good.
This next photo is of the relay Star Diagnosis SD Connect PCB— I
think one of the MHH members posted this from an original SD C4.
.5NU relays and EPCOS S513N chokes. I’ve seen plenty of PCBs where
they remove the chokes and stub them out with 0 ohm resistors. That is a
high crime in terms of signal integrity. You see a lot of “full chips”
comments where these are present, although that is a bit of a misnomer.
It should read as “common mode filters present”.
On this PCB, you’ll also notice the use of multilayer ceramic
capacitors (MLCC) near the switching supplies. A lot of clones seem to
use electrolytic capacitors in place of the bigger MLCCs because of the
cost. MLCCs are preferred for switchers because of their low ESR. I
really cannot comprehend why the clone makers skimp on these. Even in
the US, in reel (e.g. 4K pcs) qty, a 47uF MLCC is about $0.20/ea. That
means the difference of probably about $0.50 for the whole PCB. The
other advantage of MLCCs is that they more or less last forever, whereas
electrolytic caps will eventually dry out and fail (and who knows how
old the ones you’re getting are and what the quality is to begin with).
In the upper right hand corner, you’ll see some footprints that
weren’t solder pasted during stencil printing. To me, this is a good
thing. You know what parts were intended to be populated and which were
not. You also get a chance to examine the ENIG finish.
In the next photo, you’ll see the MPC5200 board. This is an 8 layer PCB.
There are a couple of things of note on this board:
(1) The AMD 10/100 ethernet PHY that’s used comes in 2 revisions and a
few different temperature ratings. I have to check the details
carefully between the rev A and B, but in terms of temp rating, this
should be ‘I’ (industrial) vs ‘C’ (commercial).
These PHYs are ancient now, so any price difference should be minimal
between the C and I version. Thus, again, I can’t imagine why anyone
would try to save $0.01 and use the C version.
(2)(Anturage corrected me here — this header brings out USB, MII (Ethernet MAC), and some other signals)
(Will update below with the location of JTAG when I find it…)
The header at the lower left hand corner of the board is the JTAG
header for the MPC5200. For PowerPC, they refer to this interface as
BDM. I haven’t seen anyone talking about it on here, but this could be
quite useful in some cases if/when the SDC is flaking out. For anyone
who’s not familiar with this interface, it allows you to
halt/breakpoint/single step the processor. You can also test the memory
attached to the CPU etc. Unfortunately, on this MB Star Diagnosis SD
Connect C4 particular PCB, some solder paste leaked through (although
I’m not exactly sure how this could happen if I think about it…) onto a
few of the pads.
(3) The memory chips are at the bottom. They’re DDR SDRAM (I made a
mistake when I originally posted this, I wrote that they were not DDR,
but upon closer inspection, they are). You can see the series
termination resistors between the memory chips and the MPC5200. As
others have pointed out, these should be identical and from the same
date/lot code. These parts are plentiful and cheap as dirt, so there’s
absolutely no excuse for any funny business there.
(4) The Spansion S29GL064N is a 64Mb (8MB) parallel NOR flash. Pretty
standard for the time this unit was designed. This is what the MPC5200
boots from and where U-Boot, the RTOS, etc. live. You can dump and
rewrite the contents of this flash via JTAG (mentioned above). These
parts are still readily available and cheap.
You’ll notice on this
MB Star C4 SD Connect
PCB that right below the AMD PHY, there’s a 32KHz tuning fork crystal
in a 4 pin package. This is the package that should have been used on
the other PCB as well.
In general, this particular MB Star C4 SD Connect PCB looks to be of reasonably high quality.
The last photo that I have is of the LCD display.
I’ve seen a lot of different variants of this particular board.
There’s this example ‘FT-C4-LCD’. I’ve seen another ‘LCD V1.1’ variant as well.
The biggest thing with this board is that it’s a HASL (hot air solder
level) finish. Granted, this is not the most complex PCB in the world
by a long stretch, but it just goes to show you how for these companies
will go to save every last penny. Although I haven’t seen the back side
of one of the ‘FT-C4-LCD’ variants, the ‘LCD v1.1’ variant seems to use
some ST microcontroller. Maybe the FT-C4-LCD has one on the back?
There’s nothing else particularly remarkable about this board,
although my impression is that the higher quality units seem to use this
FT-C4-LCD variant. If anyone has information to the contrary, I’d
certainly appreciate knowing about it.
So as I’ve mentioned before, I’ve been sending these photos to any
prospective sellers with MB Star C4 Mercedes Benz SD C4 units and asking
them to address the issues I’ve pointed out here in writing.
If they either can’t or won’t, I just simply move on. I’m sure there
are some people that will argue that I’m just wasting my time, but
that’s fine, it’s my time to waste. I think if enough buyers start
insisting on better quality up front, and stop buying garbage, it may
encourage the factories to improve their quality in general.
To that end, I’m asking any seller each as eobdtool.com to guarantee,
in writing, that I will receive exactly what we agreed upon up front,
or that they will have to provide a full refund and pay return shipping.
To be fair, I am willing to pay more for that. I’m not asking for a top
shelf unit at a rock bottom price.
So for any sellers reading this that are interested, please post a
note on here, as it may be of interest to others. No need to PM me. Any
experience that I have with any seller, I will report back to on here
fairly and accurately. I think anyone deserves a fair chance. At the
same time, I will be completely honest and detailed about the entire
experience, so please bear that in mind ahead of time. I would encourage
others to do the same. I feel like this is one place where open
communication will benefit everyone.
To any sellers that might be reading this:
Please understand that none of us want to buy a unit, have problems,
and have to deal with sending back to China and playing games with you.
All anyone wants is a high quality unit that will work reliably for
years. It is better for you and for us to pay a little more up front and
get a better quality product. Since you go to great lengths to obscure
your production sources, it becomes your job to communicate to them that
poor quality is not acceptable.
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